
E-Commerce Guru and Serial Entrepreneur Jeff Taylor on Cultivating and Driving Ideas Forward in the Social Media Age
By Tom Dellner
Jeff Taylor’s perspective on entrepreneurship, e-commerce and social media is as unique as it is hard-earned. He was one of the earliest–and most successful–e-commerce pioneers, founding Monster.com in 1993 and selling it in 1995 for $900,000. He has led companies that employ many thousands and others with a total workforce of a dozen. He not only launches companies, he has forged trails into the business wilderness–Monster.com was the first online jobs site, Eons.com is a one-of-a-kind social network for Baby Boomers and Tributes.com is a trailblazing online obituary and memorial site.
But don’t pigeonhole Taylor as all business. He has a multitude of interests, with music ranking near the top. In fact, the not-quite-50-year-old is an in-demand DJ in New England (playing techno or house music) and has a weekly radio show on Sirius called Jeffr Tale.
Electronic Retailer sat down with Taylor for a free-flowing, stream-of-consciousness conversation regarding the hallmarks of successful entrepreneurship, e-commerce and the futility of resisting social media.
Electronic Retailer: You often speak to groups regarding entrepreneurship. How would you define “entrepreneur”? Is entrepreneurship a learned skill, or is it something more innate?
Jeff Taylor: My definition of an entrepreneur is when everyone around you thinks you’re crazy and yet you’re still convinced you have a good idea–and you act on it. I am definitely an entrepreneur, by this or any other definition.
I’m often asked whether this “trait” is learned or developed. For me, I suppose it was a little of both. I was shy in high school, not in the “in” crowd. I did, however, have a bit of an innovative upbringing with parents who were very liberal and very open with me, which I believe gave me some good clues about being a self starter, but this didn’t blossom for me until later in life (parenthetically, I believe this can be an advantage; it can be very difficult for the high school quarterback or head cheerleader to duplicate those big highs as they enter adulthood).
But I sincerely believe that the skill of driving an idea forward can be developed as a practice in your life. It’s something we all need to master. It can be something as small as deciding to have lamb for dinner instead of chicken again. But you then have to follow through on it. These small victories can build up over time and give you the vision, courage and will to develop and drive forward bigger and bigger ideas.
And having an idea that’s worth its weight is a lonely experience. You’ve thought of something that no one else has, or maybe you’re just the one who wants it the most. As a result, almost everyone else will say it won’t work. And I firmly believe that those closest to you are going to be the ones that are the hardest on you. If you measure yourself by this local feedback, then you’ll just stop working on ideas.
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Eons.com has broken new ground, turning Baby Boomers into active social media participants.
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ER: Getting a company and an idea up and running is hard, but so is maintaining success. How do you keep momentum building once you’ve achieved some initial success?
Taylor: When your current business hits its stride and begins to do well, that’s the time to begin a longer-term–or “second curve”–strategy. It’s very difficult to do, because as your product becomes profitable, all you want to do is keep your foot on the accelerator. It feels like a distraction to be thinking about changing your product or creating a situation where you might cannibalize your own product. But I think you need to seek out these situations; go to those sources. If you don’t do it, your competitor will.
I also believe the second curve should be managed by a separate group and that I, as CEO, should attach myself to this group, delegating my duties regarding the first curve. It’s the role of a fast-moving CEO to keep giving his job away and to keep re-inventing a new job.
ER: Can you offer any other tips for keeping one’s company vital and healthy?
Taylor: Hiring great people is absolutely crucial, but there’s more to it than that. You, as a business leader, need to force yourself to do an honest assessment of your own personality and skillset and hire into your weaknesses. It’s very difficult for many executives to identify their weaknesses. I’m fortunate–mine are glaring!
There are two other areas where you need to build out your skillset as an entrepreneur–either your own skillset or those of your employees. One is culture. As a CEO, I think you own that. Culture, as I see it, is the natural state of employee morale. There’s too much of a mindset today of the leader getting the idea up and running and then retreating to his office and not remaining engaged with his or her employees. That’s very dangerous. I believe that the culture and the founder or CEO are attached at the hip. But inevitably, as a company grows, the CEO transitions from being a people-oriented person, curious about employees’ lives, to being a person who motivates the 10 or 15 people at the center of the organization and teaching them those skills about having curiosity about their people.
Also, the way you market and brand the company is key, and I believe it should start with the founder or CEO. Being able to speak with clients–or importantly, with larger groups and audiences–about the expertise that you’re developing, without it being strictly an advertisement about your company, is crucial. It’s a way to stay close to your original ideas and motivations, and it operates as a powerful, more consultative promotional or sales tool. It also forces you to keep advancing your knowledge level in your subject area, which is crucial to your company’s success.
ER: Can you identify for us some of the key learnings you’ve taken away from the three companies you’ve founded: Monster.com, Eons.com and Tributes.com?
Taylor: At Monster, I learned the importance of naming a company. Everyone, from my wife, to my biggest client at my firm at the time, to all my employees and anyone else I tried it out on–no one liked the name. But I had the conviction to go with my gut. Monster is a descriptor that means “bigger than big.” And once we launched, after I explained to enough people that “monster” also equals “jobs,” that name helped protect our brand position and marketshare in a competitive space for more than 10 years.
Eons has taught me about marketing to Boomers. I’ve learned that the older we get, the more individual we become. It’s been an exercise in herding cats to get a group that’s known for rebelliousness and going their own way to come together en masse in a community–I’m still trying to crack that code. We have more than 800,000 registered users and about a half-million unique visitors each month, but compared to Facebook with its 300 million users worldwide, we still have a lot of work to do.
With Tributes, I have a challenge–similar to the one we initially faced at Monster–in instigating a behavior change. People have been placing obituaries solely in the newspaper for 150 years. In addition, the funeral home industry is one that is rather suspect of new entrants and of technology, so I am learning every day how to introduce change in an area that is very set in its behaviors and resistant to change. We’re now the largest company for placing national and local obituaries online, but have many challenges in front of us.
It’s daunting and somewhat humbling to realize that I’ve been responsible in migrating two of the newspaper industry’s biggest sources of revenue–job and obituary listings–from the classified section to online.
ER: With your unique perspective on social media, how might you advise the direct-to-consumer retail industry regarding entering the social space?
Taylor: Two adages leap to mind. First, you’ve got to be in it to win it. The second is a Woody Allen quotation, “Seventy percent of success in life is showing up.” You simply can’t learn about social media as an observer.
Also, one of the very key elements of social media is what’s known as one’s “social graph.” Once you have your Facebook page, your LinkedIn page, your Twitter page, your blog and your iPhone apps all tuned into and pointing toward the same place, you can start to mine all the customer data and IP that comes from the conversations and activity in terms of traffic building that comes from this social graph.
This explicit knowledge of your target audience and all of the associated behavioral data is invaluable. You can then begin to identify and connect with the key influencers, active consumers and influential bloggers and begin to spread the word about your idea or your company or your brand. And all of this comes out of your social media participation fairly naturally.
For example, just deciding on a persona or profile of your company forces some productive and eye-opening discussion. What kind of person is your company? You might react with a “yikes.”
There are barriers you need to push through. You need to be willing to ask customers questions and actually listen to their answers. You have give your customers a chance to engage and tell their stories about your product. “What happens when they don’t like your product?” you’ll ask yourself. But you have to trust that, if you’re doing things correctly, for every one of these customers, there are 10 others that will jump in to your defense. It can be scary.
It’s essentially a new business model. We’re familiar with B-to-B and B-to-C. But social media introduces C-to-C–it’s unorthodox, but it’s also really exciting and with almost limitless potential. You have to trust your customers to co-develop with you, but if you can enlist your consumers as your sales force, it’s fantastic.
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Tributes.com is now the leading obituary and memorial source online.
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ER: Where do you see social media heading over the next few years?
Taylor: The Internet started out with a closed network; this wave of communication was mainframe, with AOL, CompuServe and Prodigy as the major players. Then we transitioned to an era where open, web-centric properties dominated the landscape–companies such as Amazon, eBay and Monster, among others.
Next, after the dotcom boom collapsed, you had the emergence of Google and a re-confidencing (if I can coin a term) in the Internet–people began to believe again that it was a truly viable playing field for commerce.
Now, we’re seeing the explosion of more and more closed networks: MySpace, Facebook, Twitter, etc. For the younger generation especially, most of their communication occurs within these closed networks.
I think what we’ll see next is an opening up of these closed networks one more time, with the opportunity for the corporate world to join in the conversation and realize that it’s really about people. It’s not going to be about selling product with an advertisement, but how you create value and how that value and message is distributed.
I honestly believe that we’re working toward an era of haves and have not’s, with the haves being those who understand social and the have not’s being those who do not.
ER: Is it key for senior leadership to engage in social media?
Taylor: I can’t stress enough the importance for the leaders in a corporation to participate–even if only on a personal level–in social media and to learn the benefits and advantages of having a position of strength on any social platform. Otherwise, you’ll create a scenario where the marketing person is running the social media strategies for senior management. And that doesn’t work. As a corporate leader, how are you going to get to the new ideas if you’re not experiencing social media yourself?
ER: Are there any risks associated with an increased emphasis on social media, and online marketing in general?
Taylor: With the growth of the Internet and other “accountable” business platforms, I think there’s a real risk in letting quantitative analysis assume too large a role within your company. There’s this idea that your analytics, your data, tells all: you can’t do anything from the gut; everything has to quantitatively “add up.” But it’s your brand positioning that gives your company the emotive qualities that allows it to take on a personality–which is essential to taking full advantage of today’s (and tomorrow’s) social media-driven marketing. Having a completely quant-driven strategy will cause you to come up short in brand position, brand voice, brand attitude and brand power.
ER: Do you have any pragmatic advice for entering the social media fray?
Taylor: I would focus very hard on recruiting. The technology really has to be understood and leveraged correctly in order to master social media and you need the right talent. Relying on the team you’ve had for the last 10 years may not be the answer.
Secondly, I would limit your initial projects to those of a smaller, more manageable size. And technologically speaking, cluster small server boxes instead of using big boxes. Use open-source instead of proprietary technology. This allows you to let the leading developers in these emerging areas to step right in and use–and build on–these technologies.
ER: Any last words of advice to traditional direct marketers who haven’t fully embraced online marketing and social media?
Taylor: I would suggest starting to shift some media from traditional channels to Internet platforms. You don’t have to shift it all at once. And the beauty of it is that the measurement is so good, the quantitative elements are so well-established, that the ability to test and experiment and then press down on the levers that are working is already there. Just as in real estate, the web is “location, location, location” and you need to find the locations on the web that are going to work for you–and it’ll be different for every company.
But the reality of it reminds me of how our parents all hoped they could get out of the workforce without having to use a computer. There is just no way that traditional direct marketers today are going to be able to get out of their jobs and retire without learning how to master social media. But the good news is that the transition can be gradual, transformative and exhilarating.